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A big HOWDY from Texas to the LRDS Forum!

I have had my LRDS since late May. Beautiful car, Scotia Grey with the almond interior. Drives like a dream rocket on the road compared to my previous Jeeps and so far all good out in the country. I am a little over 1,000 miles before my second scheduled service at 20,000 miles. You know what the British say: “That’s the difference between you Americans and we British, to us 100 miles is a long way and to you 100 years is a long time.” The car has been on five different major trips from Texas to Kansas (short first “sea trial” trip), Illinois, Minnesota, Georgia and the latest South Carolina (drove over 500 miles in continuous light to heavy rain on this last trip – really love the rear fog light feature). I have also done a modest amount of towing with the vehicle and it preformed surprisingly well.

While choosing options I unfortunately got talked out of the blind spot monitoring system – there is a very bad blind spot right rear (passenger side). Using the terrain response features is a little confusing - switching to a terrain feature while in Sport mode on the transmission puts the transmission into a manual shift mode. Probably a good idea but a big surprise the first time and something that I can’t quite remember every time I switch to a terrain mode. I installed a vault in the cargo space that is through-bolted to the luggage tie down tracks. It requires a special tool to remove which I keep in the vault. In about two minutes with this tool I can have the vault loose and pushed forward for access to the spare tire well.

Now for the juicy bits. I despise the fact that I cannot permanently disable the Eco Stop/Start since it is slow to respond when tooling around town. It shuts down way too often and way too soon as many traffic stops are very transient and the engine shuts down right when I’m ready to give the car gas again. A feature I can never remember to turn off at each engine start. The electronics seem very sluggish (slow to load) and somewhat unreliable. I have had the navigation card problem but not as bad as some have described here. Bluetooth frequently is slow to connect or fails altogether. The system can’t read all my audio files on the USB drive (there is nothing wrong with them on the computer and yes they are the same file type as everything else – please give me a CD player option, so much simpler).

Beyond these minor disappointments my GF says my car is “snake bit” (we’re from Teas after all) and it has indeed been a real saga. Since delivery the car has spent a total of about four weeks in the shop at the dealership. It all started with my extreme displeasure at the response of the transmission and turbo system at low speeds (I received one of the first cars here in Houston so had never been able to test drive anything other than an Evoque). One reviewer talked about how “…your passengers may feel that you are using the accelerator as an on/off switch.” I couldn’t agree more - this sucks. I hope they figure out how to fix this (maybe with the new engine?) because I find driving around town in traffic to be a bit testy a times (and yes I use Sport mode which is helpful but doesn't solve the problem).

I was having so much difficulty with this when I first got the car I took it into the dealership and they basically said “get used to it” since they couldn’t find anything wrong with the car. I complained so much I got the General Manager involved. He asked the more experienced head of the Service Department to take a test drive with me so I could show him the problem. Basically the Service Manager accused me of child abuse. He said my “adaptive transmission” was a baby – it was still trying to learn how I drive and I kept trying to adapt my driving to the car. Obviously we were not getting along – maybe I should have gone to a LRDS birthing class? Anyway I stopped trying to adapt myself to the car and while the transmission and I still don’t get along very well at times I am pleased to report that things between us are much better now.

About a week after receiving the car and my “sea trial” trip to Kansas, the car went in to the dealership to install roof rails, a trailer hitch and undershields. The dealer dented the roof installing the rails, broke the cover on the rear bumper installing useless and purely cosmetic "undershields" and they couldn't tell me where to plug in the electrics after installing the trailer hitch. The dealership replaced the ridiculous undershields with parts from another car and I figured out that the electrics swing down from under the bumper for use when towing (quite nifty but I guess only the installer knew that and he wasn’t around when I picked up the car). They couldn’t figure out how to fix the dent so the car had to go over to the Aston Martin dealership for repair (thankfully on LR’s nickel). I would have liked to have seen the disdain on the Aston Martin body shop guys faces while having to repair a lowly LRDS.

The factory did not adequately tighten the drain plug on the rear differential but thanks to my car savvy GF we caught the fluid leak before any damage was done. Later the dealership popped a tire when bringing it around front for pick up after my first 10,000 mile service and subsequent to that my tire service guys managed to destroy a different tire while trying remove a small screw from the tread.

About 200 miles into my last 2,000 mile road trip a warning light popped up alerting me that I am now in two-wheel drive mode and have lost all-wheel drive traction. After researching the problem this means the transmission software has disabled the rear differential due to some internal error message or a fault indication from the rear differential. The warning light immediately went away when I stopped to investigate and restarted the engine. I have gotten the warning light one other time, right at the end of my return on that trip, same thing, a stop/start immediately reset the system. I should go in for the 20,000 mile service in about a month’s time. Unless the warning returns permanently I’ll wait until then to have it looked into.

In spite of all the difficulties I have persevered and the honeymoon is not yet over as I am still in love with the car. Not sure about the timing of delivery in the US of the new models with the new engine but I look forward to test driving one soon. If they are any improvement over my current “adaptive transmission” you can bet I will upgrade at the earliest opportunity and get the blind spot monitoring system too.

Safe travels to all.
 
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Welcome LRDSnTexas from your neighbor to the north! We too love our DS!
Sounds like youve had many of the same issues as others....with the additon of a few extra! This is the first Ive heard of the two wheel drive warning ligh issue. But you probably have more miles on your DS than any other owner to date so people may start to see it as miles pile up. We had ours about the same amount of time and have less than a 3rd of the miles.

I also noticed the lackluster low end performance. I also found that the Sport mode helped slightly. I have also noticed that here lately in the starndard mode the reponse is getting better. I do drive it in manual mode some as well. But yeah, it has been performing better down low lately.

Its interesting that you would like to turn your start/stop off permanently. I think most people would like this option. Personally I like the feature far more than I thought I would. I feel it works fine with no hnderance to my driving. I do turn it off when negotiating tight areas such as parking. Even if I ad the option to turn it off, Id still keep it on.

I hope you enjoy the forum.
 

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DiscoDisco:

Thanks for the welcome!

Yes Sport mode does help the low end a little. It has also definitely gotten better over time. Still has that lovely turbo lag though. I wonder if there could be a transmission software fix for this? The LRDS is heavier than the Evoque and may require different protocols - experience could be helpful here but I am hoping that the new engine will be the fix. My Jeeps were all 6-cylinder and had great low end response but scary over 80 mph and not much acceleration once you got into the high end so the turbo is really appreciated there. The high end performance and smoother suspension have been greatly appreciated this year making my long drives a dream.

I do a lot of stop and go type driving in town where the Eco stop/start is a pain. I never seem to remember to turn it off until the first such incident. Oh well, maybe someday I'll get it.

The two-wheel drive thing has had a lot of discussion on some of the other LR forums. It has apparently been quite a problem in some of the Evoques. Not sure exactly how that applies to the LRDS but you can count on me having that discussion all the way to top management at my next service. I may also inquire about the gas tank calibration fix - that is not so important now that I have gotten used to it so I'd rather not screw anything up trying to fix that one.

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Since other brands have been seeing "coding" for personalization - like a huge coding evolution on the BMW forums - maybe we can find someone who will be able to sell custom coding for the DS ??

I would love to have custom coding to do this on my DS:

1. Euro braking flashing
2. Emergency hazard double flash
3. Turn off ECO auto start/stop feature
4. Turn on BOTH headlights and daytime running LEDs at the same time.
5. Text dictation via voice to text in a BT enabled smartphone.
6. Change rear view camera view from wide angle to normal view.
7. Allow for pre-amp audio levels to be set for all input sources (have you noticed the volume level is different for each source?)
 

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DiscoDisco:

Thanks for the welcome!

Yes Sport mode does help the low end a little. It has also definitely gotten better over time. Still has that lovely turbo lag though. I wonder if there could be a transmission software fix for this? The LRDS is heavier than the Evoque and may require different protocols - experience could be helpful here but I am hoping that the new engine will be the fix. My Jeeps were all 6-cylinder and had great low end response but scary over 80 mph and not much acceleration once you got into the high end so the turbo is really appreciated there. The high end performance and smoother suspension have been greatly appreciated this year making my long drives a dream.

I do a lot of stop and go type driving in town where the Eco stop/start is a pain. I never seem to remember to turn it off until the first such incident. Oh well, maybe someday I'll get it.

The two-wheel drive thing has had a lot of discussion on some of the other LR forums. It has apparently been quite a problem in some of the Evoques. Not sure exactly how that applies to the LRDS but you can count on me having that discussion all the way to top management at my next service. I may also inquire about the gas tank calibration fix - that is not so important now that I have gotten used to it so I'd rather not screw anything up trying to fix that one.

Regards.
The start/stop does take some getting used to. Eventually I got in the habit with my GLK to switch it off/on if I come up to a short stoplight or am in stop and go traffic etc. Overall, I do like the feature though. Also, I think the placement of the button is really nice, makes it easy to switch off if you need to (compare to BMW where the switch is right next to the ignition).
 

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Ya know, I used to wonder if there would be a new shift map download available for the DS at first... 9 speeds is a lot to manage and I was sure they'd offer some improvements. However, either I'm getting used to how the trams is shifting or its learning to shift better. I actually think it's adapting to our driving patterns and is shifting better. My was drives the DS daily, not me, and she is a lead foot so if this thing does adapt its shifting depending on driving style, then better hers than mine. LOL!!

I have my fun when I used the shift paddles then I can do whatever I want the trans to do. :)

All that said, I still wouldn't be surprised if there is an improved shift map available for download at some point.

This is actually my first turboed vehicle. I've had a few supercharged vehicles and the lag does take some getting used to, as opposed to a SC's nearly "instant on" characteristic. :) I'm getting used to that as well. Since I'm no turbo expert I'm not sure there's anything that can be done to address that?

I kind of wish the DS had a V6 option but I can see why it doesn't, mespecially at launch. But imagine a 3.0l SCV6 in this thing!
 

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I kind of wish the DS had a V6 option but I can see why it doesn't, especially at launch. But imagine a 3.0l SCV6 in this thing!

They have already come out with a slight performance variant (mostly suspension upgrades) so who knows, maybe the SVR team will get ahold of the DS and shoehorn a SCV6 into it???
 

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20,000 Mile Service

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Mileage update - see attached photo. Okay 20k mile service here I come! Still scheduled for 11-Jan. Dealer hasn't been able to work me in sooner. On the list:

1. 2 Wheel Drive Only - spending most of my time in two wheel drive mode now but also still intermittent, today for example all-wheel drive didn't go out once all day, Sunday had to drive 150 miles in two-wheel mode. Dealer thinks software update may fix it or a replacement pump.

2. Gas gauge calibration - apparently a software fix but discussed with the dealer and on the schedule.

3. Rattles - I'm getting the rattles bad now. Haven't discussed yet with the dealer but will be the trifecta on this service list.

BTW nice and balmy here in Texas at 72 degrees today...


Happy Christmas All!!!


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Do let us know what happens at the service appointment.

We are eager to hear how our DS cars will be at 20,000 miles.

I am at 1500 miles so a long ways to go.....
 

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Thanks for the detailed summary. Enjoyed reading it. I have found that if I turn of Eco mode and just use the general driving mode that the DS is much more responsive. I pull out in front of people at lights and on the highway in the General(?) mode. Eco seems to steal too much power from the engine. Of course, I probably lose a bit of gas mileage, but in most of my in town driving it is worth it!

On the auto start/stop, I sometimes turn it off, but most of the time it doesn't bother me that much. So far, it has been smooth, although like you, I have had it stop/start a bit too quickly when I wasn't completely stopped and then needed to start again. However, overall, it works fine, and much better than the Audi A6 loaner I had a couple weeks ago for my wife's Q7. The A6 cut the engine off several times at lights when I was rolling to a final stop rather than being completely stopped. The DS seems to be much better.
 

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Update: In for Service

Okay here's a progress report:

Took the car in for its 20k mile service Monday, just under 21k miles. Besides the 20k service the issues were:

1. Two-wheel drive fault
2. Gas gauge calibration
3. Noise in passenger pillar (is that the B pillar?) from shoulder strap area (noise goes away when someone is in the seat with the seat belt faastened).

The basic service will cost $650, they have two additional levels of recommended upgraded service. As hard as I drive the car in the Texas heat I went for the whole enchilada, basically a throttle body cleaning and some special lubricants. Price tag now $1k and that is before any charges for items 1-3 above, if any. Not sure anything more than the basic service is really worth it but what the hey... :rolleyes:

As of yesterday afternoon they tell me the 20k service and software update for the gas gauge are complete.

Still haven't located the rattle in the shoulder harness - it is NOT the ticking sound uploaded by dshseus a few weeks ago: Discovery Sport Forums - Ticking Noise from Boot/Trunk

They have decided that the rear differential pump is shot and will replace the entire rear differential. Waiting on the part. Not even sure they will have it next week. They don't want me driving it that way any more so I will be keeping the loaner indefinitely (probably have the rear-end all apart anyway).

Given my issues with the roof rails and dented roof, etc., so far the car will have spent one week in the shop for every month that I have owned it. Fortunately the shop time has come in big chunks and the loaner cars fun but didn't get a Jaguar loaner this time :(

Driving a sporty black Evoque though with just under 7k miles. Unfortunately it drives as bad as the DISCO at low speeds - I think it too has been abused by its various drivers as a loaner car during its transmission learning period. It does have these really cool lights that throw an Evoque silhouette on the ground underneath the side mirrors when getting in and out of the car. The loaner cars always LOOK clean but my first stop is always the car wash - they are filthy inside, ewwww. :cool:

Short road trip (est. 500 miles round trip) beginning the 28th. Sure hope the DISCO is all better by then. :eek:

Of course I use a dedicated USB in the DISCO for music. Several files it cannot read and most of the new CD's I've loaded onto the USB are unreadable by the car. In fact some of the albums I used to listen to in the car have become unreadable. They all work fine on the computer so until this week I was just perplexed. Now I'm pissed - they all work fine in the Evoque. :mad:

I'll update with a final report when all done.


Happy Rovering to all!

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20k Mile Service Update

Got the car back from the dealer on 5-Feb. They had the car 25 days - I put 1400 miles on their loaner - it was time for the loaner's 10k mile service when I finally got my car back. Almost had to get a loaner for my loaner LOL!

:(

Reason for the long delay is they determined that the rear differential needed replacement. This was the most radical fix that I researched to the two-wheel drive fault that has been kicking in intermittently since November. The part has to come from the U.K. - Isn't that just great service planning or are they running that low on rear diff replacements? No answer from the dealer on that one but once they had my car apart it wasn't going to go back together without a new part. Was told that this warranty service work was $5k - thankfully all covered under the warranty.

They sold me a bunch of other service items - took a $600 service to just under $1k. Extras were throttle body cleaning, wiper blades, zMax Micro Lubricant, cabin air filters maybe. In hindsight since I've only had the car about seven months I could've passed on most of this stuff BUT I do drive it hard and may be looking at another 20k miles by end of summer.

Turns out the rear washer nozzle is bad and part is back ordered and still not in - will have to go back for that. Also will need a little body work - got used to zipping in and out of my garage in the Evoque loaner - guess what - the Disco is just a wee bit bigger, peeled the trim right off the right front wheel well. Doesn't look so bad with the dark grey duct tape holding it together - tested my tape job up to *mumble* mph so good to go until I can get to the body shop.

:crying:

They did an entertainment software update - it will play some of the USB music files it wouldn't before, yeah! But they now skip just like an old vinyl record, those were the days huh? But they are supposed to be in the past, grrrr (they don't skip when played on the computer). More annoying is that they erased my GPS trip way-points in 14 states and all over Texas. That's a real pisser. Also the dang thing reboots a bit randomly now - sometimes the whole system won't boot properly on start up.

I did get the gas tank re-calibration - zero is now 17 gals instead of 15 gals - confirmed with three fill ups since I got the car back. Very nice but having to get used to it - I had programmed in running below zero so have to be a bit more careful now.

They tried to chase down a few miscellaneous rattles - nothing seemed reproducible so nothing fixed but mine don't seem as bad as others have reported so far anyway.

I think I've blown a speaker in the driver side door, very occasionally a strange vibration with deep bass sounds. I will have that looked in to on next service I guess.

The car did need some engine coolant and the dealer set the tire pressures to 40lbs each when the manual says that's too much, particularly on the rear. It does drive better at the lower pressures - I have tried it both ways now. I haven't had the chance to get the pressures back to manual specs yet - too much driving to do since the car has been back - I get the tires too warmed up to mess with it before I can think about it for now.

That about covers it. Trips to Oklahoma and Arizona next two months. Maybe New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois this summer. Will keep you guys informed.


Happy trails!

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Thanks for sharing your experience with the car! Good to get an advance knowledge on possible repairs and issues, it would definitely help me to decide whether to keep or turn in my lease when that time comes
 

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Dayum son! Thanks for sharing. You do drive the piss out of it, don't you?
FWIW, I have nitrogen filled tires. So my tires stay fairly stable at all temps. I did add a little air, which was not enough to effect pressure stability to the heavy load settings. I thinks it 40lbs front, 42lbs rear. I like it much better.
 

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Bless me Father for I have Sinned...

Been away from the Disco Forum for too long, my bad...

Time for an update. 30k mile service scheduled for 9-May. Sitting on 28k+ as I write this. Some of my big interstate trips for the year may be off but there will probably be more frequent longer trips within Texas so we'll see how the mileage goes later in the year. May be moving to a small town in Texas without a LR dealer for 100's of miles so may just have to sell the car if I can't find a good service center (bummer).
:(

Been having lots of SD Card Read errors, particularly in remote areas. Service guy says something was wrong with my card having to do with the little white tab on the side. I call BS. According to another source the GPS has to talk to the AT&T network and they haven't allowed enough bandwidth to handle all the LR sales volume so we are getting bumped and it is screwing our GPS systems. Remote areas seem problematic because you can't reach an AT&T tower. How stupid - isn't the whole idea of LR is to be able to go anywhere? If my GPS can see the satellites, why does it need AT&T? Anyone got any other input?
:eek:

Mileage has been great on the road lately. Car really seemed to like 2-4k elevations on a recent trip to Tucson. Gas tank re-calibration working well.
:)

Electronics still glitchy – cutting in and out during boot up and sometimes very slow.
:|

Rear differential seems fixed. Other than that nothing much else to report. No news is good news!

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Such a great detailed report LRDSn Texas!

Thanks for letting us know what might happen to ours as we approach miles you have gone thru!
 

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Took it in to the dealer for a look-see on the SD Card read error before the trip to Tucson and they replaced the rear washer nozzle - no charge. It took over a month to get the part, ugh! Essentially that's all they did, except admonish me not to mess with the SD Card...

Anyone have any other info on the SD Card Read error? I'm still getting it but not as frequently now - haven't been out in the boonies much either though...
 

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What exactly is the error? Mine reported me at 0 degrees long/lat when in the Baltimore area... They had to update it a couple times before it worked.

I do not have cities appear, but do have road names.

What is your software version on your head unit? Maybe they need to re-update it... Like a computer or phone it may need a master reset or re-image.
 

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Time Once Again for a Full Update - 32k Miles

Alright, car went in for 30k miles service on 9-May as scheduled. Mileage just under the 30k mark. Went with the full meal deal again, bunch of dealer extras not necessary but makes my service adviser happy. Service at my dealer would have been about $300 without extras, $500 with. Took them about three days. Have I mentioned how sloooow my dealer's service department is?

:laugh:

Okay full disclosure, also had them work on SD card read error again which is why it took so long. Routine service was done in one day. This time they replaced the SD card altogether, duh. Problem went away for a while but its baaaack now but only happened once so far. Pushing 32k miles as of this date.

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Bigger issue - got an engine check light last Thursday, about 700 miles back. Fortunately was less than 150 miles from home and able to get to dealer the next day. Loose emissions hose, 3rd cylinder misfiring. Fixed and back on the road in one day, although it took some arm-twisting to even get them to take the car on such short notice.

Unfortunately the check engine light is also back but I am now over 300 miles from the nearest dealer and over 500 miles from home. Supposed to drive home over the Memorial Day weekend. May get to find out how Land Rover roadside assistance works if check engine light shuts down the engine as the manual warns it may do...

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Only have one business day back home and then supposed to go on the road again for another 300 mile road trip. I'm due for my one year state inspection but can't get that done until check engine light gets fixed and car has some miles for sensors to reset!!!

:crying:

I'm beginning to agree with the GF that this car is snake bit.

:(


P.S. My dealer always over inflates the tires when I get it back. 42lbs each tire when manual wants 37 front and 32 rear for light loads. That's a significant difference in the front but huge in the back. What's up with that anyway?
 

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Engine Check Light Update

Car at 34k miles as we speak. Two weeks past first anniversary.

Engine check light remains an intermittent issue. Light went out by itself before the 500 mile drive home mentioned above. Had a buddy with a code reader check the car and the error code was "fuel pressure regulator" ??? Have had the engine check light three more times. It goes out by itself after three or four stop starts and 250 miles or so. Okay now here's the thing. The dealer has said they are having to fix the gas caps on several cars getting this error. My error has occurred in connection with a gas fill up three of the five times it has happened. The last three times the engine check light came on immediately following a car wash. NOT a hand or power wash but the one where you run through a full service car wash that the car rolls through with all the machines. Two of those times involved a fill up, one did not. Go figure.

Also an off road update. Cruised right by a few 4WD vehicles, including Jeep Grand Cherokees in a serious mud field we were all parking in for an event in central Texas after some big rains. I did bog down once but only needed a slight nudge to get out. Better tires and it probably wouldn't have happened. Should've taken a photo - car was mud covered all the way to the roof rails. Other than the engine check light schizophrenia all else doing good.
 
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