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Hi there, I am a US buyer looking, long and hard, at the Discovery Sport, but am having some trouble getting clear concise answers for a few questions. I was hoping all of the enthusiasts would perhaps be "in the know" a bit more than even apparently the sales teams that I have been talking to.

Firstly, I am really trying to get an answer to whether or not the 2016 MY currently contain the new ingenium 2.0 gasoline engines. On my first test drive the salesperson said there would most likely be no changes made to the motor options, (I was mostly asking if a larger option would be available for the 2017MY to push around the 4000lb beauty). After some reading and logical thinking as I was looking at used models available on the market, including a few 2016MY, I didn't see any noting of "ingenium engines". This, despite the fact that a second salesperson at a different dealership sat and told me that their engines were NOT built by Ford, and were completely their own. The conversation was not a "this is how they WILL be, but put forward in a very matter of fact, this is how it is, way." Obviously, after I made it known that I was a bit more educated on the situation than most it became "They should be included in the 2016.5 MY we are about to order." HOWEVER, NOWHERE can I find any information on the ingenium except the diesel launch in the UK and the positive effect it has had over the 2.2 Ecoboost. This makes me truly feel like waiting for the ingenium gasoline may very well be worth it too, even if it is a bit on the untested side. So, question is....can anyone tell me if that wait is just next month...or next MY....or won't show up until big bro Defender holds its hand down the hallway in two years!?? (I have read about its inclusion in the upcoming Jag)

Secondly, I see a ton of comparison articles and posts. Has anyone done or found an in depth comparison with the Ford Edge? I KNOW, I KNOW blasphemy. But everyone compares this thing to the Escape or they jump to the Explorer! Why? The Edge is practically the exact same size, probably same engine, yet no one wants to talk about it. I understand that it isn't in the luxury aisle, but everything else is very comparable...at least more so than the much smaller "can't escape" and the titanic in comparison Explorer! I did drive an Edge, so I have tried to create my own comparison, but am interested to hear or read anyone else's opinion if one or two is out there. Obviously, I much prefer the aesthetics of the LRDS and feel like it would better handle itself off road, but am not sure, as test drives don't last long.

Since I am asking so much, I will at least try to contribute something! The Edge handled surprising well. I was actually hoping to jump in and have it feel like my family member's ford and immediately strike it from the conversation, but it was fairly impressive. And if you dump almost 10k of packages into it you can get AWD, leather, and even a big sunroof to try and make you swallow that lump of regret for not shelling out a bit for the Disco! But then, you are at right about 40k....so you better love it, right? And who knows if it can handle the foothills/mountains?
Also drove a new Volvo xc60 while I was trying the Disco Sport. (You can see the size of vehicle I am in the market for, yes?) Figured I tried a cheaper model, might as well try a bit more expensive too. The xc60 may not have the giant panoramic, but the large front and rear windows along with the small sunroof do make you feel like visibility is a breeze compared to the blind spots in the rear corners of the Disco Sport. It also had a bit more gusto than the DS, as expected from the more powerful engine, HOWEVER it was more noisy and offered up more vibration than the Discovery. The Disco actually had a more comfortable ride in my opinion. It felt more forgiving whereas the Volvo seemed stiff. A wonderful choice, but couldn't take the DS off my radar.

One last nugget...for those who wanted to counter the blind spots with the blind spot monitor feature that was there on the 15 MY but disappeared on the 16 MY (regardless of what all those descriptions say on the dealer sites) worry not....it is available again on the 2016.5 MY builds that are up for ordering, apparently.

Ok, thank you for listening to me rant as I continue to toil my decision. Would love to hear what others found when doing their homework, especially ANY information on the new gasoline engine. I can't find specs, or even confirmation. I have heard everything from late 2015 to tomorrow, so who knows. Another reason would be to see how it matches up with the Ford EcoBoost. The Ford salesperson had replied to my "which is better?" with the comment that it comes down to which is lighter. Would love to just see a bit of a side by side. Really though, it will come down to the feel of the drive. I deal with foothills and occasionally mountains, but don't tow much so 5 more HP isn't going to sway me.
 

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I have try researching the engine thing and found nothing. Unless there is an improvement in performance, efficiency, or something else I dont think you should stress too much about it since its still a 2.0T right?

And interesting observation on the ford, I've looked at focus ST prior, but never really considered the ford offerings as direct competition. There are a lot of high "value" offering in every tier but some times the dollars go towards the intangibles such as the ownership experience, the brand, more exclusivity and what not :)
 

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A friend of mine has the MKX, the upscale sibling to the Edge, and it is a great vehicle with the upscale "feel" and it seems to be a great car. I know my friend loves it.

The Ford Edge / Lincoln MKX is good comparison as there is still a lot of Ford carry over. Obviously the 2.0 Ecoboost is an example, but the DS chasis is based on the older Ford EUCD chasis with some LR tweaks, while the Edge is build on the EUCD's successor, the new CD4 chasis.

I think the main difference between the two is the powertrain. You have the option of two V-6's with Edge, but the 6 speed transmission is the only option in the Edge vs the 2.0 Ecoboost and 9 speed transmission in the DS. The 2.7 Ecoboost increases the HP to 315 from our 240 but carries with it a 20 MPG rating vs our 23. Not sure what your towing vs fuel mileage criteria is, but there are definitely options on the Ford side.

For me personally, the choice was pretty clear. The asthetics of the DS set it above everything else out there in its price range. The LED's in place of the halogen bulbs pretty much pushed me over the edge, no pun intended. :)
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Automotive_Group


these explain how and why the similarities between LR, Ford, and Volvo. if you trace all the way back, they were all owned by same company - PAG. but the most recent purchase occurred when Tata motors bought out Jaguar Land Rover from Ford in 2008. I'm sure JLR is still sourcing engines or other parts of car from Ford. and the DS is no exception with the 2.0 turbo ecoboost engine. in fact if you look at a Ford Mondeo under the hood, it's almost the same set up as the DS's. And when I looked closely on the DS, I've even discovered parts that have Volvo's logo on them.


all and all, I agree with Voiceoffire's comment when it comes to decision making. For me it was a no brainer that I wanted to drive a Land Rover over a Ford or Volvo not to mention the sleek design, spacious, and cool features the DS offers. Understand there are many aspects to consider when buying a car, I guess the best is to ask yourself, what is the most important to you according to your needs and start from there...
 

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@mkzhang- Same here, looked and looked and can't find much of anything. It will still be a 2.0, but here lies the problem...i can't find out if there will be an improvement in things or not. However, what is making me wait is that a lot of the reviews from across the pond were on the 2.2 Ecoboost diesel and they were harsh. But a few of the reviews of Disco sports having the new ingenium diesel said that it really smoothed out the responsiveness and was even a bit more quiet. I am thinking perhaps the same thing could happen in the gasoline engines...reducing a bit of that turbo lag that they have done a fairly decent job in masking via the 9 speed transmission. Not to mention could drastically effect resale value a couple years down the road. (though this could go either way depending on how the engines are received)

I guess it is kind of like going to your cell provider and grabbing up an iphone 6 and signing a 2 yr agreement....one week before the 6s gets released. ;)

@voiceoffire11- Thanks for the insight, and I loved the pun, intended or not! I definitely agree that the aesthetics are much more desirable on the Disco Sport. LOVE the aggressive looking headlights. Wish the black Discovery badge was available without getting black rims too.
@disco808- yep, I have learned a ton about the Tata group and the ford relationship with JLR the last few months. It does make you realize just how incestuous it all can be, in a way. Thanks for some of the pointers though.

You all have helped out a lot...and you're right, I get excited when I think about driving around in the DS...If I had any of the others I would just be commuting. I guess I need to quantify a price to that aspect as well when deciding. All in all, I think as soon as I can find out a date on the engines I'll probably be able to pull the trigger on a purchase.

Thank you all again!
 
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