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Great advice, exactly where would this noise be, as I don't hear it? My wife complains of a rattle but does not know where its coming from??????
 

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the side pillar just behind front seats, thats where the tick would come from
rattles and what-not are mentioned for DS, just search this site and you'll find many posts about them, but i believe most rattles are fixed at dealer, some had mentioned something about dealer stuffing some foam into some void spaces to prevent the rattle from happening. but again, thats a quality issue to me and these type of things should not be happening on a ~$50k vehicle that has been in production for 3yrs now, it just shows you that TATA has zero interesting in fine tuning this gen of DS. maybe with the new design for 2018 these issues are gone, which may explain why TATA has done nothing to fix this 1st gen DS model.

This tick thing sounds pretty darn intrusive as an irritation. If the only resolution is to "stomach" it, doesn't seem too flashy and attractive.
some folks say they dont hear a tick, but this could be for a few reasons. we know they are all made the same way, at the same Halewood plant, using the same materials, thus it is high probability that all DS's are prone to this tick issue. some have reported it comes and goes with seasonal temp changes, other say its there all the time.

why would i spend $50k on a DS that has good probability of such issue that cannot be fixed properly? i think TATA will be surprised to see that the sales of 2017 DS's are down.

for me, i stopped trying to ink a reasonable deal on a DS and have taken my $$ over to MBUSA for a 2wd GLC300 w/ package-2 and air ride suspension. although these two do compete the MB is just way different, it feels much more refined and you get the MB quality and support, the MB dealer experience was so much better than JLR. one thing i noticed right away in GLC was how much more quiet the inside is while driving. although run-flat tires are not the best wheel/tire for some circumstances, it is a nice feature to have, std on GLC. DS is nice, i almost bought it, but the GLC will be in my garage soon (and i saved a few $k).

bottom line is, if you buy a DS and get this dreadful tick noise, just dont allow anyone to perform that TSB, the risk of impacting safety just isnt worth it. i am also baffled as to why JLR has not tried alternative solutions, like perhaps trying to squirt in a liquid that has teflon/ptfe with liquid that simply evaporates (a dry lubricant, etc), this could possibly provide the needed lubrication to keep two panels from creating a tick noise due to rubbing against each other.

good luck with your DS, or the DS you might buy.
 

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Plenty of pictures of the new center screen on the internet---and remember that's only if you get the Entertainment Pack option. If you don't specify the option, everything is like it was before from what I understand. And that Entertainment Pack option is a whopping THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. SHeesh.

The screen is wider and you have some different displays. Great...$3k. No thanks. haha.
I don't believe the center screen you are speaking about is the same I reported. I am talking about the 5in or so screen in between the tach and speesometer. It is now rounded graphic like the Evoque and even the turn signals are loud like the evoque.
 

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I don't believe the center screen you are speaking about is the same I reported. I am talking about the 5in or so screen in between the tach and speedometer. It is now rounded graphic like the Evoque and even the turn signals are loud like the evoque.
if you opt for the infotainment pro system you also cannot get some of the safety feature options, so choose wisely. it is kinda baffling however that JLR has somehow engineered available safety features based on what infotainment system you get, this makes zero sense to me.
 

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I am going to get service for the rattle issues again this week.

1) The tailgate noise started again so it is going to be my 3rd fix, which is leading to Lemon Law finally.
2) And, in the last service, they didn't agree with me that B-pillar was making noise. Now, I can easily reproduce the noise. Making a left turn it is. Or, driving on a rough road will reproduce the b-pillar noise too. I will share what their reaction to Lemon Law would be.
 

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I am going to get service for the rattle issues again this week.

1) The tailgate noise started again so it is going to be my 3rd fix, which is leading to Lemon Law finally.
2) And, in the last service, they didn't agree with me that B-pillar was making noise. Now, I can easily reproduce the noise. Making a left turn it is. Or, driving on a rough road will reproduce the b-pillar noise too. I will share what their reaction to Lemon Law would be.
they'll probably tell you that its not a lemon, that they have a fix for it. you can then tell them their fix is a safety hazard and will negatively impact the value of the vehicle, as does the annoying tick. Lemon Law applies in this case. i myself would not buy a used DS that had the tick-TSB fix done to it (unless i needed the DS just for on-the-farm use).
 

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they'll probably tell you that its not a lemon, that they have a fix for it. you can then tell them their fix is a safety hazard and will negatively impact the value of the vehicle, as does the annoying tick. Lemon Law applies in this case. i myself would not buy a used DS that had the tick-TSB fix done to it (unless i needed the DS just for on-the-farm use).
Please check this doc regarding Lemon Law in CA, where I live. http://www.dca.ca.gov/acp/pdf_files/englemn.pdf If they failed to fix the same warranty issue four or more attempts, it is regarded as lemon. I agree with your concern of losing reselling value, and I believe not many buyers would notice the b-pillar ticking when I sell my car. However, I just can't drive this car with the tickings one more year.

BTW, they have already attempted to fix the tailgate noise issue 2-3 times (I need to double check it). For b-pillar issue, it is just 2nd attempt. They misunderstood the b-pillar issue so they touched woofer last time...
 

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ok, so, i would know right away is you had the TSB work done to fix B pillar issue, at that point, for me, i would looks for another DS to buy because the one you have, in my opinion, has a safety concern that i do not want to have. the fix that they propose (the re-welding and hammer & chisel) is a "fix" that also compromises safety of the vehicle, thus IMHO, there is no viable fix and thus should make the vehicle fall within your lemon law.

page 7 of your PDF lemon-aid

The problems are covered by the warranty, substantially reduce the vehicle’s use, value, or safety to the consumer and are not caused by abuse of the vehicle;
Value and safety preempts the TSB, because executing the TSB inherently will impact value and safety of the vehicle. thus should be covered under your lemon law.

i would not at all be surprised if the DS's that had this TSB done get recalled by JLR.
 

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Value and safety preempts the TSB, because executing the TSB inherently will impact value and safety of the vehicle. thus should be covered under your lemon law.
i would bet ya, if you presented this quote in arbitration you are likely to win the case. since the TSB provides many unknowns and no safety data from the maker post TSB, the assumption that can be made is; there is known probability that the TSB does impact safety because the vehicle is now at a point that is not as originally designed nor originally produced from Halewood.

then the question posed will be "what known probability?"

answer to that is
1) TSB does not prescribe how to weld (gas, wire type, wire size, heat settings, etc etc). welds that do not utilize same exact setup and settings will produce varying final product.
2) manual welding is inherently random in final product, no two manual welds are the same
3) HAZ from welding does impact the mechanical properties of the metal in that zone
4) hammer and chisel may in fact be breaking spot welds, and at minimum is putting more stress onto them, and being done by manual human process, which like manual welding, will produce no two outcomes that are the same

one then might argue that we use human manual welding to build many things like ships, buildings, bridges, etc etc. the counter to that is, those welds are prescribed in detail, and the variance between the certified weldors is accounted for within the design of the structure, etc. hammer & chisel and re-welding is not accounted for by the engineers of the vehicle. the vehicle safety and value is based on original design and manufacture, and we know that hammer & chisel and re-welding is not part of original design and manufacture.

should be a ez case for any lemon arbitration if you wish to go there.
 

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Without paying for a specialist who is willing to state the integrity or safety of the vehicle has been compromised, I am not sure it is as easy a "win". Many lawfirms, to the best og my knowledge make the money off the quick and easy cases and most likely often settle without going to court. I would think court or trials are probably costly.

Good luck to all. Maybe speak with LandRover again and ask them to make it right with you... Or even speak with your dealer. I really do think they like to retain customers.

This thread was originally to note the differences in the 2017s. Any other noted differences from first hand experience?
 

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you dont need a specialist, you only need to show that the original vehicle as-designed & manufactured is no longer as-designed or manufactured, period.

its up to the manufacturer to prove their TSB meets as-designed criteria/specs post-TSB. to date, JLR has not published any data, etc. and, JLR would be foolish to take on any liability from dealer or body shop workers they dont know, etc.
 

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2017 Disco Sport differences

So to get back to the original post...

I noticed that my HSE was spec'd with the motion sensing liftgate, but it's not on the vehicle. I was told these are early iterations and this option won't be present until later assembly dates. Does anyone actually have a touchless rear hatch/liftgate?
 

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So to get back to the original post...

I noticed that my HSE was spec'd with the motion sensing liftgate, but it's not on the vehicle. I was told these are early iterations and this option won't be present until later assembly dates. Does anyone actually have a touchless rear hatch/liftgate?
I have a 2017 HSE as well and was told by dealership I had it. Its actually in the shop right now because the motion sensing liftgate isnt working. Neither are my keys. Let see what they say maybe i will get the same explanation.
 

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Are you an engineer, I'm a 4G certified welder in stick and wire feed and this seems like a perfectly legit repair, it's not rocket science! As long as you don't over heat the effected area it will be fine and actually stronger than the original with the side stitch welds. For that matter you could use a two part bonding epoxy like they use on alloy Jag panels and it would be just fine!
 

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Are you an engineer, I'm a 4G certified welder in stick and wire feed and this seems like a perfectly legit repair, it's not rocket science! As long as you don't over heat the effected area it will be fine and actually stronger than the original with the side stitch welds. For that matter you could use a two part bonding epoxy like they use on alloy Jag panels and it would be just fine!
side stitched, stronger, epoxy ??

sure, do whatever you want, its not factory, nor is that factory design. you could use scotch tape for all i care, its not as-designed, and its not a minor fix like a squeaky tailgate lift.

but let me ask, you read the TSB. so what MIG settings, wire, gas would you be using? just curious. because the TSB said "MIG" you have to use MIG, i might actually do that using TIG if i had a choice, with some unique pulse settings, and maybe (maybe) a little helium in my gas. i might then post weld do a little heating with wide mouth propane to calm the HAZ.

factor in that not everyone may have your skillset, well, let me re-phrase that, you are rare, thus i may conclude that the work being done has high probability that it is not being done by an expert like you. why dont you ask JLR to send every DS that needs this fixing to you, this way we can account for any post issue back to a single 4G certified person. you are ok taking on that liability?

and to boot, you at this point have zero data if your post work is "stronger" or safer, and neither does JLR.

the TSB fix has lemon-law written all over it.
 

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Hi there....I have the option of purchasing a stock DS 2017 SE model with delivery very soon or waiting until November for the 2018 model....does anyone know what changes they have made between the years models....>>
 

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Hi there....I have the option of purchasing a stock DS 2017 SE model with delivery very soon or waiting until November for the 2018 model....does anyone know what changes they have made between the years models....>>
I thought the 2018 is sporting the new Ingenium engines ???:eek:

Is that still true for North America ???:confused:

If so, I'd get the Ingenium engine over the Ford sourced Eco boost engine....:D
 
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